End time events, church history, premillennialism, postmillennialism, amillinnialism, preterist, historist, futurist, second coming, pre tribulation rapture, and the book of Revelation

The NewsMax Article
That Misrepresented us 

End time events, church history, premillennialism, postmillennialism, amillinnialism, preterist, historist, futurist, second coming, pre tribulation rapture, and the book of Revelation

 

Below is the NewsMax article that started off with an interview (and picture) of Ken and Lora Uptegrove
 … as seen at:
 http://w3.newsmax.com/a/apr09/jesus

 

Please consider writing to NewMax to tell them your opinion of what they said about Lora and me in their feature article in the April issue

NewsMax has a "Sound Off" section in the front of their magazine where they publish comments made by their readers.  You can send your comments to letters@newsmax.com or Newsmax, Attn: Letters, P.O. Box 20989, West Palm Beach, FL 33416. They may edit your letter for clarity and space.  Keep in mind that the word count should be about 200, but no more than 300.

Here is a responses we have sent to NewsMax, hoping they will publish it:

 

Lora and I (Ken Uptegrove) feel that David Patten did not present some of our views as accurately as we hoped he would, and wish to clarify them here. We are grateful to NewsMax for graciously allowing us to make a clarifying statement here.

The Lord impressed me over 30 years ago to believe that very hard time are coming to our nation and the world, and that I am to teach others to prepare for them … physically, mentally, and spiritually. Our country has had a depression and three wars on our continent, which sets the precedent and possibility of that happening again ... before the great tribulation starts (we are premillennialist). Over ten years ago David Wilkerson and Larry Burkett published books that said an economic depression is coming, and many other prominent people agree with them. Right now America is on the brink of a depression-level economic collapse. What we are doing is long term planning and preparation, not knee-jerk reactionary fear mongering. For that reason we do not consider our "vision" to be either "extreme" or "reactionary." And judging by our E-mail, many are in agreement with us.

To us, living a quiet, self sufficient life style in the country is pleasant and natural ... in any era. And having like-minded Christian neighbors as "intentional neighbors" just makes the experience all the better for all of us. To us this is a desirable life-style in any era, and in particular ... the troubled times we now live in.

 

The below article excerpt can be seen in its entirety at:

http://w3.newsmax.com/a/apr09/jesus

 

I highlighted David Patten’s comments in red that we want to correct, and followed with our response in green.

 

 

WILL HE

RETURN?

 

Each generation of Christians believes that theirs may be the last. In these deeply troubled times, the question once again rises to the fore: Is Christ about to come back? Leading religious figures explore the myths, the doctrines, and the controversies. And we ask, What’s this mean for America?

Our area had just experienced the worst ice storm we had ever experienced in our lives. Patten asked for outdoor pictures of us clearing our yard of broken branches, but his hidden agenda was to make us look foolish.

 

god’s will: Lora and Ken Uptegrove, anticipating Christ’s return, are planning to create a remote self-sustained Christian community.

Ken and Lora Uptegrove of Springdale, Ark., live in a bustling suburb of about 65,000 in the state’s northwest corner. They’re like many of the God-fearing folk in these parts, with one notable exception: "They are actively preparing for the end of the world."

We are doing no such thing!  We said no such thing. We told David Patten numerous times in the two hours of conversation with him that we believe very hard times are coming, and we want to prepare for them physically, mentally, and spiritually "for when the hammer falls". 

They may not actually leave their irenic neighborhood until “the day the hammer falls,” as Ken, a 72-year-old retired government computer programmer, puts it. But when the end times foretold in the Bible finally come, the Uptegroves intend to be ready.

Ken and Lora plan to build a self-sufficient Christian community on about 150 acres in a remote area of northwest Arkansas. An extreme reaction to the nation’s economic woes?

We told David Patten about the plans of Christians nearby who found our articles on this website about preparing a self sufficient Christian community.  We have met with them, and have given serious consideration to joining them, but it is their land and their plans, not ours.  They get any due recognition, not us.

We do not consider our "vision" to be either "extreme" or a "reaction", and thousands are in agreement with us.  Some of the most prominent voices in Christendom have been in full agreement with us for years. The most popular page on our website quotes from books by David Wilkerson and Larry Burkett (written in 1998 & 99) that say an economic depression is coming.  In 1974 I believe the Lord told me that a depression was coming and how to prepare for it.  This is long term planning and preparation, not jerk-knee reactionary fear mongering.

To us, living in the country, living a quiet, self sufficient life style is pleasant and natural ... in any era.  And having like-minded Christian neighbors as "intentional neighbors" just makes the experience all the better for all of us.  The Amish and Mennonites have demonstrated that for several hundred years.  We do not hold to their doctrines but their lifestyle works well for them, and demonstrates it can work for us also.  To us this is a desirable life-style to live in any era, and in particular ... the troubled times we now live in.

Actually, they say they are more motivated by what they read in the Good Book than by what they see in the headlines.

They point to the biblical promise that Jesus Christ will return to earth one day. Before his return, the Bible predicts, will come wars, natural disasters, and famine. Christians call that troubled era the Tribulation. Matthew 24:21 describes it in harrowing terms: “For then shall be great Tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”

Bible scholars say these events will serve as signposts along history’s highway, signaling that the end times are just around the corner.

Ken and Lora say they’re just obeying Christ’s admonition to be ready. They plan to join other Christians in creating an economically self-sufficient farm from which they can minister to others. “We can’t save everyone,” Ken says. “But we can save the ones God sends us.”

“It might come to a point, in a depression, where we live on a barter system,” says Lora, 57. “My parents went through the Depression, and we never lacked for anything because they lived on a farm.” Self-sufficient communities seem less far-fetched following the September collapse in the international credit markets, the Lehman Bros. bankrupt-cy, the loss of more than 4 million U.S. jobs, and news that 2 million mortgages could be headed down the tubes.

Experts of various stripes tell Newsmax that public buzz about the biblical last days is at its highest level since 9/11. Although the Second Coming may appear purely theological to some, end-times beliefs can profoundly influence where people worship, where they donate their money, which politicians they vote for, and how they spend their time and energy.

If the Uptegroves, for example, believed that they would be whisked away to heaven before the Tribulation — the pre-Tribulation rapture concept that dominates today’s evangelical Christian right — they wouldn’t bother laying the foundation for a self-sufficient Christian community. After all, they would not be around to use it.

Since it is not clear to us what Patten meant to say in this paragraph, we wish to point out what we say in all our literature concerning the Tribulation, a depression, and Christian community.

We (and David Wilkerson and Larry Burkett and others) have believed for years that a depression, and other calamities, can come BEFORE the seven year tribulation starts.  The U.S.A. has had a depression and wars on our continent in the past, which sets the precedent and possibility of that happening again ... BEFORE the great tribulation starts.

Our extensive studies of the history of eschatology (the study of end-time events) show us that it is not wise to put all of our eggs in the pre-trib-basket.  We think it is much wiser to plan for the contingency of a mid-trib or pre-wrath rapture ... all the while hoping the pre-trib-rap proves to be the right one (we doubt but do not rule out a post-trib-rap).  That is not wishy-washy pan-trib (hoping that it will all pan out...) thinking; that is hoping for the best and preparing for the worst, physically, mentally, and spiritually. As a computer programmer I learned to have a program for every possible contingency.

 American Realities

Surveys consistently indicate that about 80 percent of Americans identify themselves as Christian. Of those, an overwhelming 79 percent believe in the Second Coming, according to the Pew Research Center. That means Americans overwhelmingly reject the secular-progressive view that the Second Coming is essentially a cleverly constructed fairy tale.

Indeed, Americans’ faith in Christ’s return is much stronger than generally recognized. A widely publicized Ipsos poll in 2007 reported that 25 percent of Americans expected to witness the Second Coming of Christ — in that very year!

Pew’s findings are more conservative, but they still indicate that a large number of Christians — about 1 in 5 — believe that Christ will return in their current generation.

Overall, Americans are pretty sure that reality’s clock is winding down rapidly. A 1994 U.S. News & World Report poll showed that 6 in 10 Americans — people of all faith backgrounds — believe the world will come to an end eventually. And about 20 percent say the global life expectancy is just a couple of decades. So the idea that creation’s clock could strike midnight at any time turns out to be as American as apple pie, pink slips, and debt collectors. If you mix the morning headlines into the average American’s eschatology, you stir up a powerful, angst-inducing brew.

 Even though Patten was not quoting us directly, he gets off the subject (which is the rapture) and seems to not know that the Bible clearly says many times throughout the Old and New Testament that the world will in fact come to an end and will be replaced with a NEW Heaven and Earth.

 

  To read the whole article on the NewsMax article on their website go to:      http://w3.newsmax.com/a/apr09/jesus

 

 

Photo Credit: crucifix/super stock / clocks/istockphoto / uptegroves courtesy ken and lora uptegrove

As originally published in Newsmax magazine.

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